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- Summary: Welcome to alt.quotations! This is the Quotations FAQ.
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- Version: 1.01
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- -- Welcome to Alt.Quotations --
-
- The Quotations FAQ v1.01
-
- Jonathan Monsarrat (jgm@cs.brown.edu)
-
- Michael Moncur (mgm@world.std.com)
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-
- This FAQ is formatted as a digest.
-
- Most news readers can skip from one question
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- to the next by pressing control-G.
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-
- Please help archive and index the quotes! Read the section ``The
- Quotations Archive''.
-
- Related FAQs: none?
-
- Please help fix the FAQ! Comments and questions should be mailed to
- jgm@cs.brown.edu. Additional books or book comments should be
- mailed to mgm@world.std.com.
-
- This FAQ and the indexes are available by anonymous ftp to
- wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/alt.quotations. The FAQ comes in ASCII,
- LaTeX, DVI, and PostScript formats.
-
- Table of Contents
-
-
- 1 About alt.quotations
- 2 What to Expect
- 3 What is a Quote?
- 4 The Quotations Archive
- 5 How to Help with the Quotations Archive
- 6 Other ftp sites
- 7 Books
-
-
- Subject: 1 About alt.quotations
-
-
- Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
- ---George Santayana (1863-1952)
-
- Welcome to alt.quotations! This newsgroup is for sharing and
- discussing quotations of all sorts. If you are searching for a
- reference, looking for a book, or want a forum to share your
- favorite quotes, this newsgroup is for you. This FAQ posts some
- general guidelines and answers some questions that we see
- frequently, so that hopefully those who cannot remember the past
- are not condemned to repost it.
-
- Some quotes from this newsgroup are indexed and archived in an ftp
- site. More on this below.
-
-
- Subject: 2 What to Expect
-
- On alt.quotations you will find quotes from movies, plays, books,
- television shows, and lectures. There are quips from parties,
- orations from great literature, slices from computer manuals and
- source code, humor from around the globe, famous last words, and
- quotes about quotes. There are quotations from Monty Python, The
- Princess Bride, Ronald Reagan, Star Trek, Jack Handey, Mark Twain,
- and Shakespeare. There are quotations about UFOs, the devil, sex,
- money, cats, music, and anything else. Anything goes.
-
-
- Subject: 3 What is a Quote?
-
- A quotation is a short, memorable saying by someone famous, tagged
- with an attribution. This is an ``alternative'' newsgroup and you
- should feel free to post anything you like here. However, there
- seems to be a mild consensus about what is and is not a quote.
- Posts that fit under this definition will be stored in the
- Quotations Archive.
-
-
- * Quotes should be short. Five lines (400 bytes) is a pretty hefty
- quotation. Six lines is really an excerpt. This size limitation
- applies only to the quote itself. A description of the author or
- the context of the quote can be longer.
-
- * Quotes should be exact. If you are not sure of your quote, please
- say so. That would make it a paraphrasing. Someone else will
- probably be able to provide the correct phrasing.
-
- * Quotes should have an attribution. Possible exceptions are quotes
- that are well known, but anonymous. Please give the name of the
- author, the source (book, magazine, movie, lecture), and the
- year. It would be great to have birth/death years and profession.
- For example,
-
- ``The wise learn many things from their enemies.'' -
- Aristophanes, 450-385 B.C., Birds, 414 B.C. Aristophanes
- lived in Ancient Greece and was the greatest poet of Old
- Attic Comedy.
-
- * Quotes should be from someone famous. The term "famous" has many
- meanings, of course - In this context, it refers to someone who
- (a) is well known in his/her field, (b) is known to the general
- public, or (c) has received media exposure for some reason.
-
- * Quotes should mean something. If your quote needs to be put in
- context, then by all means describe the circumstances surrounding
- the quote. For example, Star Trek quotes often benefit from
- having a two line synopsis of the episode:
-
- ``Sir, I MUST protest. I am NOT a merry man.'' -
- Lieutenant Worf, Star Trek: The Next Generation,
- ``Q-Pid''. The omnipotent entity Q has magicked the Star
- Trek crew into a Robin Hood scene.
-
- * Quotes shouldn't be one-liner jokes or cliches. ``Real musicians
- don't die, they just decompose.'' is not a quote. There is no one
- to attribute. Bathroom graffiti, bumper stickers, fortune
- cookies, the Diet Coke jingle, and many other common themes fit
- in a small package. But even if they are funny that doesn't make
- them quotations.
- Quotes involving movies and television often give the names of
- the characters or the actors, even though the quote was really
- written by a professional writer. In general, give the one of the
- three that is most famous. Giving the real writer would always be
- nice.
- If you have a huge list of your favorite quotes, please take the
- time to categorize them and attribute them. Don't just post an
- unorganized list.
-
-
- Subject: 4 The Quotations Archive
-
- All the quotations that fit the guidelines are stored at a publicly
- available ftp site: wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/alt.quotations/Archive.
- In the future there will be an organized index system. Right now,
- just the raw postings are available.
-
- The quotes are grouped primarily by subject, but there are indexes
- by author, keyword, type of source (movie, play, book), and
- meta-subject (humor is a meta-subject, humor-about-cars is a
- subject).
-
- Movie and television quotes have a tendency to mean nothing to
- people who haven't seen the show, and bring back fond memories to
- people who have. That doesn't make them real quotations, but since
- they are so popular, a part of the archive will be set aside for
- these media related quotes.
-
- The index is labeled either ``exact'', or ``incomplete''. If you
- can give the exact wording to a quote marking ``incomplete'',
- please write jgm@cs.brown.edu. We are trying to keep paraphrasing
- to a minimum.
-
- Here is an example of how to post a quote to alt.quotations if you
- want to make it easy to archive. All the lines have little keywords
- so that the quote can be automatically processed into the archive.
- If you follow this format, you will make life much easier for me.
-
- Please note that the quotation is clearly marked as separate from
- the introduction with the ``Quote:'' tag.
-
-
-
- Newsgroups: alt.quotations
- From: drwho@athena.mit.edu (Dr. Who)
- Subject: Tennyson on love, Bacon on fear
-
- My favorite quote I discovered in high school. It still rings a chord
- with me. Anyone know any other good Tennyson quotes?
-
- Quote:
- 'Tis better to have loved and lost
- Than never to have loved at all.
-
- Author: Alfred Lord Tennyson, (1809-1892)
- Ref: Im Memoriam, 1850, line 27, stanza 4.
- Keywords: love, exact
- % Im Memoriam was written in memory of Arthur Henry Hallam.
- % Tennyson was an English poet. By the middle of the 19th century he
- % was firmly established as the voice of the age, and was made Poet
- % Laureate in 1850.
-
- I don't know the year of the book on the next one, so I've marked it
- incomplete. I think the original quote is in Latin. Anybody know
- whether this is Francis or Roger Bacon?
-
- Quote:
- Dolendi modus, timendi non item.
-
- (to suffering there is a limit; to fearing, none.)
-
- Author: Bacon
- Ref: Of Seditions and Troubles
- Keywords: fear, incomplete
-
-
- -The Doctor
- ----- Department of Bat Radioendoscopy ---- drwho@athena.mit.edu ------
- ------------------- ``He who laughs last laughs best''--------------------
-
- Basically, the quotation begins anywhere after ``Quote:''. The
- author and birth/death information is listed after ``Author:'' and
- the source is listed after ``Ref:''. You can put some keywords
- after ``Keywords:'' if you like. Whether the quote is exact or a
- incomplete should go here. If you want to add comments about the
- quote for context, or to explain who the author is or what the
- sources is, put a '%' at the beginning of each line to indicate a
- comment.
-
- At the end of the comments, the text is ignored unless a second
- ``Quote:'' is found, at which point a new quotation begins.
-
- If you're REALLY unsure of your quote, or if you don't know who
- said it, don't include these headers at all; just ask about it, and
- most likely someone will respond with an exact quote.
-
- For now, I have been hand parsing these files. As soon as we can, I
- will get help with this large task. Sorry for all the bureaucracy,
- but things will run more smoothly and better for everyone if we
- place tags on the text that let me partially automate the process.
-
-
- Subject: 5 How to Help with the Quotations Archive
-
- Jon is in search of ``Bibliophiles'' who would act as the Oracle
- Priests do for rec.humor.oracle. Bibliophiles would be emailed a
- portion of the quotes posted to alt.quotations. They would select
- the ones appropriate for archiving and email them back to me in the
- properly formatted form. With many bibilophiles, this would not be
- too much effort. Please send mail to jgm@cs.brown.edu if you would
- like to help.
-
- Our current Quotations Bibliophiles are Jonathan Monsarrat
- (jgm@cs.brown.edu) and Michael Moncur (mgm@world.std.com).
-
-
- Subject: 6 Other FTP sites
-
- There are no other ftp sites for quotations that we know of.
-
- Subject: 7 Books
-
- This is a bibliography of quotation books. If you have a favorite
- book of quotations, or any at all, and can add to this list, please
- send email to mgm@world.std.com. See below for more specific
- instructions.
-
-
- The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations
- Published: Original, 1941. Third edition, 1980.
-
- Publisher: Oxford University Press
-
- Editor/Author: Oxford University Press
-
- Scope: All quotations, chosen based on familiarity.
- This is one of the "Big Two" quotation books. Any fan of
- quotations should have it available. Like all quotation books, it
- is by no means comprehensive, but it attempts to be, and is at
- least diverse. Not a book to be read cover to cover, but a good
- reference for looking up particular quotes. Quotes are arranged
- by author. Also includes a LARGE (approx. 300 pages) and
- comprehensive subject index.
-
- Bartlett's Familiar Quotations
- Published: (?)
-
- Publisher: Bartlett (?)
-
- Editor/Author: (?)
-
- Scope: All quotations, chosen based on familiarity.
- This is the other of the "Big Two." We don't have it at this
- point, so we can't comment specifically. We'd appreciate hearing
- from somebody who has it.
-
- The Oxford Dictionary of Modern Quotations
- Published: 1991
-
- Publisher: Oxford University Press
-
- Editor/Author: Tony Augarde
-
- Scope: 20th-century quotations, chosen based on familiarity.
- A "modern" version of the Oxford Dictionary, centered on quotes
- by people who were "still alive after 1900." As such, the
- quotations in this volume may be more relevant to today's
- concerns. It is shorter than the original Oxford, probably due to
- the absence of Shakespeare and Biblical quotations.
-
- The Dictionary of Humorous Quotations
- Published: 1949. Was still in print in 1989.
-
- Publisher: Doubleday, originally. 1989 edition - Dorsett Press.
-
- Editor/Author: Evan Esar
-
- Scope: Humorous quotations, chosen by author.
- This is one of the many quotation dictionaries that are basically
- the collected "favorite quotes" of the author. It is arranged by
- author, and includes a subject index.
-
- The Portable Curmudgeon
- Published: 1987
-
- Publisher: NAL Penguin Inc. (US), New American Library of Canada
- Ltd (CA)
-
- Editor/Author: John Winokur
-
- Scope: Cynical, mostly humorous. Chosen by author.
- These are "outrageously irreverent" quotations from people the
- author considers Curmudgeons (Cynical, irascible, cantankerous).
- It is organized by subject, with additional sections devoted to
- frequently-contributing curmudgeons (W.C. Fields, Dorothy Parker,
- Fran Lebowitz, and Groucho Marx to name a few.) No index. A book
- intended to be read cover-to-cover. [ NOTE: There are two sequels
- to this work, "A Curmudgeon's garden of Love" and "The Portable
- Curmudgeon Redux". Information on these two would be appreciated,
- as we don't currently have them. ]
-
- The 637 Best Things Anybody Ever Said
- Published: 1982
-
- Publisher: Fawcett Crest / Ballantine (Random House)
-
- Editor/Author: Robert Byrne
-
- Scope: Chosen by author.
- Robert Byrne has compiled a volume of quotations which he finds
- to possess "insight, surprise, wit, pith, or punch." No attempt
- is made to be comprehensive. The quotes are arranged in
- "sequential" order, meaning that they vaguely relate to the ones
- around them. It does include an index by author and subject,
- though. This book, and its sequels, are my personal favorite
- collections.
-
- The Other 637 Best Things Anybody Ever Said
- Published: 1984
-
- Publisher: Ballantine (Random House)
-
- Editor/Author: Robert Byrne
-
- Scope: Chosen by author
- Sequel to the above work. Same concept, new quotations.
-
- The Third-and Possibly the Best-637 Best Things Anybody Ever Said
- Published: 1986
-
- Publisher: Ballantine (Random House)
-
- Editor/Author: Robert Byrne
-
- Scope: Chosen by author
- Yet another 637.
-
- The Fourth-and by far the Most Recent-637 Best Things Anybody Ever
- Said
- Published: 1990
-
- Publisher: Atheneum/Macmillan Publishing Company
-
- Editor/Author: Robert Byrne
-
- Scope: Chosen by author
- The cover says that Robert Byrne "Just can't seem to stop", which
- seems true. It's been three years, though - Let's hope there's a
- fifth volume coming. All four of these are of equal value in my
- opinion.
-
- This list is by no means comprehensive, but I'd like it to be. If
- you have any books of quotations (any subject or theme), please
- send me the following information so that it can be added to this
- list:
-
-
- * Full Title
-
- * Publication date (original printing and most recent, if possible)
-
- * Publisher (and distributor)
-
- * Editor or Author
-
- * Scope (theme: i.e. Humorous, Patriotic, Feminist, etc.)
-
- * Library of Congress and/or ISBN numbers if available and a brief
- summary. (3-6 lines)
-
- This FAQ is copyright (C) 1993 by Jonathan Monsarrat and Michael
- Moncur. Permission is granted to freely edit and distribute as long
- as this copyright notice is included.
-
- This document was written with the LaTeX language and formatted by
- LameTeX, the PostScript hacker's LaTeX.
-
-
- Jon Monsarrat jgm@cs.brown.edu | Michael Moncur mgm@world.std.com
- Sleep...oh! how I loathe those | "It's better to be quotable
- little slices of death... | than to be honest."
- -- Longfellow | -- Tom Stoppard
-
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